Episode 22 · 19 minutes

Right Kind of Wrong: The Science of Failing Well

by Amy Edmondson, 2023

The hospital study where better teams reported more errors, and the taxonomy of basic, complex and intelligent failure. For neurodivergent leaders: silence is a reading about safety, the disclosure bar sits far above the error bar, and most of what gets filed against an employee is a missing system.

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Miles: A doctoral student is studying medication errors in hospitals. Her hypothesis is straightforward: better teams, with better leaders and better relationships, will make fewer mistakes. She collects the data. And the correlation runs the wrong way.

Miles: The best teams are reporting significantly more errors than the worst ones.

Miles: She sits with that for a while, and then has the thought that makes her career. What if the good teams aren't making more mistakes. What if they're the only ones willing to say so.

Miles: Today: Right Kind of Wrong, by Amy Edmondson. In two sentences: failure isn't one thing, and treating it as one thing is why organizations learn so little from it. Some failures are stupid, some are unavoidable, and a small number are the only way anything new ever happens.

Miles: Sixty Books. Presented by Stoar Consulting and Coaching.

Miles: You're in the reading room, this is Sixty Books, and I'm Miles. We're working through the sixty best management books of the last hundred years, one per episode, asking what each one means for leaders and teams who think differently, and for work that now has AI in the room. The research is Nora's department.

Miles: Nora, we've been deferring to this author for about fifteen episodes.

Nora: Every time a book gestured at trust or safety with no evidence behind it, we said the real research is Edmondson. This is her, and the difference in rigour is immediately obvious.

Miles: Finish the hospital story, because the reversal matters.

Nora: She published the work in nineteen ninety six in the Journal of Applied Behavioral Science. What she'd measured wasn't the error rate. It was the reporting rate, and reporting depends on whether a nurse believes that admitting a mistake will be treated as useful information or as evidence against her.

Miles: And later she defined it.

Nora: Psychological safety, in her nineteen ninety nine study of teams at a manufacturer. A shared belief that the team is safe for interpersonal risk taking. Not comfort, not niceness, not low standards. Speaking up won't be punished.

Miles: Why does this matter more than the other books that use the phrase?

Nora: Because it's measured. It has a validated survey instrument, it's been studied across thousands of teams and many industries for twenty five years, and it predicts learning behaviour and performance. When we said in earlier episodes that a chief executive quoting psychological safety is standing on firmer ground than one quoting a two by two, this is why.

Miles: And there's a widely cited industry analysis.

Nora: A large study at Google examining what distinguished their effective teams found psychological safety at the top, above talent and above tenure. That's one company's internal analysis rather than a controlled trial, but it moved the idea from academia into boardrooms.

Miles: This book is about failure specifically.

Nora: And the core contribution is a taxonomy, because her argument is that we have one word doing three jobs and the confusion is expensive.

Miles: Give me the three.

Nora: Basic failure. A single, known, preventable error in familiar territory. The wrong file attached. A step skipped in a procedure that exists. There's nothing to learn except that the process needs a guard.

Miles: Second.

Nora: Complex failure. Several small things going wrong together in a familiar setting, none individually fatal. Most hospital harm, most industrial accidents, most project disasters. Her point is that these have no single cause and therefore no single culprit, and looking for one prevents the fix.

Miles: And the third.

Nora: Intelligent failure, which is the book's title and its argument. Four criteria: it happens in new territory where the answer isn't knowable in advance, it's in pursuit of a goal you actually care about, it's informed by what's already known rather than repeating someone else's mistake, and it's as small as it can be while still producing the information.

Miles: So the scale is part of the definition.

Nora: Which is the part people skip. Intelligent failure isn't permission to fail expensively. If the experiment could have been run smaller and wasn't, it fails the test.

Miles: And what to do with each.

Nora: Different failures get different responses. Basic failures get better systems and no blame. Complex failures get analysis and no scapegoat. Intelligent failures get celebrated and shared, because you've just bought information.

Miles: Okay.

Miles: What else is in the book?

Nora: Three competencies she calls self awareness, situation awareness, and system awareness. And a great deal on context: identifying whether you're in consistent territory, variable territory, or genuinely novel territory, because the same behaviour is diligent in one and reckless in another.

Miles: Background on the author.

Nora: Amy Edmondson, a professor at Harvard Business School. Her first degree was in engineering and design, and before her doctorate she worked as chief engineer for Buckminster Fuller, the architect and systems thinker, which explains the systems framing that runs through everything she writes.

Miles: And the standing.

Nora: She's consistently ranked among the most influential management thinkers alive, and she's one of very few authors on this shelf whose central concept has a substantial independent evidence base rather than a book behind it.

Miles: Now the turn, and I think this may be the most important episode we've done for our audience.

Nora: Start with the original finding, because it generalizes precisely.

Miles: Lead the way.

Nora: She measured reporting and mistook it for occurrence. Now apply that to a workplace with neurodivergent staff. If nobody on your team has ever said I need instructions in writing, or this meeting format doesn't work for me, the likely explanation isn't that everyone is fine.

Miles: It's that reporting is unsafe.

Nora: And disclosure carries a genuinely asymmetric risk. Saying I made an error costs you standing on one occasion. Saying I'm autistic changes how every subsequent interaction is interpreted, permanently, and it can't be taken back.

Miles: So the bar is higher.

Nora: The bar is much higher, which means a level of psychological safety adequate for ordinary error reporting may still be nowhere near adequate for disclosure. A leader who's established safety and is puzzled that nobody has disclosed anything has probably not established as much as they think.

Miles: What raises it?

Nora: Not reassurance. Evidence. Accommodations granted without interrogation, visibly. Flexible arrangements used by senior people rather than only by those who need them. A leader who says out loud what they themselves find difficult, which is the costly signal Sinek was gesturing at in episode nineteen and which this framework explains properly.

Miles: Now the failure taxonomy, in our terms.

Nora: This is where it gets sharp. A great many things that get recorded as failures in a neurodivergent employee's file are basic failures, in her sense. The missed deadline because the request arrived verbally in a corridor. The forgotten step in a process that exists only in someone's head. The wrong priority because nobody said which mattered.

Miles: And her prescription for basic failure.

Nora: Fix the system, don't blame the person. That's her instruction for everyone, and it's what accommodation actually is. A basic failure means a guard was missing, and building the guard is a management task rather than a favour.

Miles: Mm-hm.

Miles: And complex failure.

Nora: Her insistence that there's no single culprit matters here, because when something goes wrong on a team with one visibly different member, the search for a cause has a magnet in it. Naming complex failure as its own category is a defence against that.

Miles: And intelligent failure.

Nora: The most quietly important part. Intelligent failure requires operating in territory where the answer isn't knowable, which requires being given something hard to attempt. And we said in episode twenty that disclosed neurodivergent employees frequently get protected out of exactly that work. If you never get novel territory, you never generate intelligent failure, and you never accumulate the record that leads anywhere.

Miles: Low expectations delivered kindly.

Nora: Which is a career limitation that never appears in any review as a criticism.

Miles: Two more pieces I want in, because they're the practical machinery.

Nora: The first is what safety is not, and she's emphatic. It isn't lowering standards, it isn't being nice, and it isn't comfort. Her two by two puts psychological safety on one axis and performance standards on the other, and the quadrant with high safety and low standards is the comfort zone, which produces nothing.

Miles: So the target is high on both.

Nora: High safety with high standards, which she calls the learning zone. And the point is that the two aren't in tension. Safety is what makes high standards survivable, because a demanding environment where mistakes are punished produces concealment rather than performance.

Miles: And the second piece.

Nora: Her framing questions for leaders. Set the stage, by naming what kind of territory you're in and what failure is likely to look like. Invite participation, by asking specific questions rather than asking whether anyone has anything to add, which reliably produces silence. And respond productively, which mostly means thanking the person who brought bad news in front of others.

Miles: The middle one is the accessible one.

Nora: Any questions isn't a question. It has no subject, no addressee, and it requires the person to both generate the topic and volunteer. Asking a named person a specific question is a different task with a far lower entry cost, and it's the single easiest change a leader can make to who speaks in their meetings.

Miles: Fair enough.

Miles: What's aged badly?

Nora: Genuinely less than usual, and it's worth saying so plainly, because we've been hard on this shelf.

Miles: But not nothing.

Nora: Yeah. Not nothing. Psychological safety has become a fashionable term and has drifted, frequently used to mean comfort or the absence of disagreement, which is close to the opposite of the construct. Edmondson spends real time in her recent work correcting that, which tells you how far it's drifted.

Miles: The measurement.

Nora: Depends on self report surveys, which are subject to the same social pressures the construct describes. A team afraid to speak up may also be afraid to score its safety accurately, and that's a genuine methodological problem rather than a quibble.

Miles: And the failure taxonomy specifically.

Nora: Is new, and it's a framework rather than a finding. The three types are a useful lens with essentially no direct evidence that categorizing failures this way improves outcomes. It inherits credibility from her earlier work, and those are different claims.

Miles: And the culture question.

Nora: Worth naming. Most of the psychological safety research has been conducted in Western organizational settings, and speaking up carries different costs elsewhere. The construct appears to travel, but the behaviours that signal safety aren't universal.

Miles: And as evidence, it's what?

Nora: Still a practitioner's book rather than a paper, but the best evidenced one we've covered, by a distance, with a newer framework attached that isn't yet tested and doesn't pretend to be.

Miles: Let's do the recap the way this show does it. Right Kind of Wrong says separate the failures that are stupid from the failures that are inevitable from the failures that are the only way to learn. If neurodiversity is in the room, yours or your team's, here's what this buys you. Silence is a reading about safety and not a reading about problems, and the disclosure bar sits far above the ordinary error reporting bar because the risk can't be taken back. Most of what gets filed against a neurodivergent employee is basic failure, which her own framework says is a missing system rather than a person to blame. And if you protect someone out of the difficult work, you've removed their access to the only kind of failure that builds a career.

Miles: The AI part.

Nora: The most interesting angle in a while, because these tools change what counts as a basic failure.

Miles: Walk me through it.

Nora: Basic failure is a preventable error in known territory, and her prescription is a system guard. A great many of those guards were previously too expensive to build. Checking a document against a standard, confirming that a plan covers what it should, catching the missing step. Those are now cheap, which moves a whole class of failure from unavoidable human lapse to a guard nobody bothered to install.

Miles: And that has an equity consequence.

Nora: A significant one, and it cuts our way. If the guard exists for everyone, then the person who needed it most isn't marked as needing it at all.

Miles: And intelligent failure.

Nora: Cheaper too. The cost of a small experiment falls, which should mean more of them. Her caution applies with force though: intelligent failure requires being informed by what's already known, and a tool that'll confidently generate a plan without telling you it's been tried before makes uninformed failure easier as well.

Miles: What could go wrong with that?

Nora: One, and it's the one that matters for this book specifically. If people begin to fear that their errors are logged, analysed, and permanent, reporting collapses, and you're back in that hospital study, measuring silence and calling it quality.

Miles: Temper that.

Nora: With one thing, since the standing caution is read at the end of the episode now. In her terms this is novel territory, where the right move is small experiments and not a programme rolled out to everyone. She'd call that the right kind of wrong, provided you keep the experiments small enough to learn from.

Miles: That's Right Kind of Wrong.

Miles: Next time: Drive, by Daniel Pink, and the awkward question of what happens to motivation research when you actually need the reward to arrive today.

Nora: The theory underneath that one is solid. The headline is where we'll argue.

Miles: Thanks, Nora.

Nora: My pleasure, as ever.

Miles: That's the episode.

Miles: Stoar Consulting and Coaching makes this show. Logan Williamson is a Licensed Professional Counselor in Texas and Louisiana. Sixty Books is education, one book at a time, for leaders and teams. Nobody was coached, nobody was counseled, and no opinion about you was offered.

Nora: The transcript and the sources behind every claim are on the episode page. The next book is tomorrow.

Miles: The small print, spoken. Both hosts on this show are synthetic. We aren't people, we don't hold licenses, and we weren't talking about you. Each script is produced with help from AI and then read, edited and approved by Logan Williamson, a Licensed Professional Counselor in Texas and Louisiana, at Stoar Consulting and Coaching.

Nora: And one note about the AI segment. The evidence that these tools help neurodivergent people at work is early. There are controlled trials now, but they measure things like conversation skill rather than how a job actually goes, and for work itself most of what exists is individual providers reporting success. So take it as promising and not proven. The tools also get rebuilt every few months, so whatever you set up today is built on something that moves.

Sources

The claims in this episode, in the order they come up, with where each comes from. These were sourced after the episode was published, and a claim we could not trace to a source is left off rather than guessed at. 16 claims. Studies in psychology and medicine were checked on PubMed; everything else against the publisher, the paper or the original record.

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  1. As a doctoral student working on a study of medication errors in hospitals, Edmondson asked whether better teams made fewer errors. The correlation came out significant and in the wrong direction: the better teams had higher error rates. Her explanation was that the better teams were more willing to report errors, not that they made more.

    Edmondson, A. C. (1996). Learning from mistakes is easier said than done: Group and organizational influences on the detection and correction of human error. Journal of Applied Behavioral Science, 32(1), 5-28. DOI: 10.1177/0021886396321001. Summary at AHRQ PSNet, https://psnet.ahrq.gov/issue/learning-mistakes-easier-said-done-group-and-organizational-influences-detection-and (the summary page prints the year as 2006; the journal volume and DOI are 1996).

    Edmondson, A. C. (2023, 4 October). "The Intelligent Failure that Led to the Discovery of Psychological Safety." Behavioral Scientist, https://behavioralscientist.org/the-intelligent-failure-that-led-to-the-discovery-of-psychological-safety/ , an excerpt from the book in which she describes herself as a new graduate student and Richard Hackman's doctoral student, gives the question "Does better teamwork in the hospital lead to fewer errors?", reports a statistically significant correlation in the wrong direction, and the thought "maybe they report more."

    Harvard Magazine (March 2001), "Secret Errors Kill," https://www.harvardmagazine.com/print/542?page=all , recording that she joined a study of drug administration errors led by physicians Lucian Leape and David Bates.

  2. Edmondson published the hospital study in 1996, in the Journal of Applied Behavioral Science.

    Edmondson (1996), as in item 1. Journal record, SAGE, https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0021886396321001 : The Journal of Applied Behavioral Science, volume 32, issue 1, pages 5-28, first published March 1996.

  3. Team psychological safety, as Edmondson defined and measured it in a 1999 study of teams at a manufacturing company, is "a shared belief held by members of a team that the team is safe for interpersonal risk taking." The paper traces the roots of the term to earlier work by Schein and Bennis (1965).

    Edmondson, A. (1999). Psychological safety and learning behavior in work teams. Administrative Science Quarterly, 44(2), 350-383. DOI: 10.2307/2666999. Full text read at https://web.mit.edu/curhan/www/docs/Articles/15341_Readings/Group_Performance/Edmondson%20Psychological%20safety.pdf

    A multi-method field study of 51 work teams (427 team members surveyed, plus outside observers) at a manufacturing company of about 5,000 employees, given the pseudonym Office Design Incorporated. It introduces the team-level construct, measures it by survey, and finds that psychological safety is associated with learning behaviour, which in turn is associated with team performance. The paper cites the 1996 hospital study as the earlier work that raised the question, and traces the roots of the term to Schein and Bennis (1965).

  4. Psychological safety is not comfort, niceness or lowered standards; it is the belief that speaking up will not be punished.

    Edmondson, A. C., & Kerrissey, M. (2025). "What People Get Wrong About Psychological Safety." Harvard Business Review, May-June 2025. Summary at https://explore.psychsafety.com/n/edmondson-kerrissey-2025.md and Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/debunking-misconceptions-about-workplace-psychological-safety/ : it is not niceness, does not mean debate feels comfortable, is not job security, and is not opposed to accountability.

  5. The construct has a survey measure and a large independent evidence base, across thousands of teams and many settings, linking it to learning behaviour and performance.

    Edmondson (1999), as in item 4, which introduced the survey measure.

    Frazier, M. L., Fainshmidt, S., Klinger, R. L., Pezeshkan, A., & Vracheva, V. (2017). Psychological safety: A meta-analytic review and extension. Personnel Psychology, 70(1), 113-165. DOI: 10.1111/peps.12183. Full text at https://digitalcommons.odu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1018&context=management_fac_pubs

  6. Google's internal study of what made its teams effective, covering 180 teams, ranked psychological safety first of five team dynamics, and found that individual performance of team members and tenure were not significantly connected with team effectiveness at Google.

    Google re:Work, "Guide: Understand team effectiveness," https://rework.withgoogle.com/intl/en/guides/understand-team-effectiveness : 180 teams (115 engineering project teams and 65 sales pods); five dynamics in order of importance, psychological safety first; eight variables "not significantly connected with team effectiveness at Google," including individual performance of team members, seniority and tenure. Project Aristotle, released 2016.

  7. Basic failure has a single cause, often human error, in familiar territory. Complex failure has multiple causes, none of which alone would have produced it. Basic and complex failures call for prevention; the question to ask is what happened before who did it.

    Edmondson (2023), as in item 2.

    Roland Berger, "Amy Edmondson on how to fail intelligently," interview, https://www.rolandberger.com/en/Insights/Publications/Amy-Edmondson-on-how-to-fail-intelligently.html : basic failure "has a single cause, often but not always human error"; complex failure "has multiple causes, any one of which on their own wouldn't have led to the failure"; ask "what happened?" before "who did it?"

    Langslow, S., "The Right Kind of Wrong" (review), https://sarahlangslow.substack.com/p/the-right-kind-of-wrong , for basic failure as existing knowledge going unused, complex failure as several factors interacting in a familiar setting, and prevention as the response to both.

  8. Intelligent failure meets four criteria: it happens in new territory, it pursues a goal with a credible chance of advancing it, it is informed by available knowledge, and it is as small as it can be while still yielding the information. Intelligent failures are to be welcomed and learned from.

    Edmondson (2023), as in item 2.

  9. The book's three competencies are self-awareness, situation awareness and system awareness, and it distinguishes consistent, variable and novel contexts.

    Edmondson (2023), as in item 2. Passages quoted at Goodreads: on system awareness as the third competency after self-awareness and situation awareness, https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12020516-appreciating-the-dynamics-of-systems-is-the-last-of-the ; and "all of us frequently find ourselves in variable contexts," following novel and consistent contexts, https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/11968121-in-addition-to-novel-and-consistent-contexts-all-of-us

  10. Amy Edmondson is the Novartis Professor of Leadership and Management at Harvard Business School. Her first degree, from Harvard, was in engineering and design, and in the early 1980s she worked as chief engineer for the architect and inventor Buckminster Fuller. Her PhD in organizational behavior is from Harvard (1996).

    Harvard Business School faculty page, https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/profile.aspx?facId=6451 : PhD in organizational behavior, AM in psychology, AB in engineering and design; "Chief Engineer for architect/inventor Buckminster Fuller" in the early 1980s.

    Amy Edmondson, Wikipedia, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Edmondson , giving the AB (1980) as Visual and Environmental Studies and Engineering Sciences, the PhD year 1996, and the chair from 2006.

  11. Edmondson's two by two sets psychological safety against performance standards. Low on both is apathy, high safety with low standards is comfort, low safety with high standards is anxiety, and high on both is the learning zone. She presents the two as independent, not a trade-off.

    Edmondson, A. C. (2018). The Fearless Organization: Creating Psychological Safety in the Workplace for Learning, Innovation, and Growth. Wiley. ISBN 9781119477242.

    Edmondson, A. C. (2019, 27 March). "The Fearless Organization," presentation slides, Lean Enterprise Institute, Houston, https://www.lean.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/pl_Psychological_Safety.pdf : the matrix of psychological safety against performance standards with apathy, comfort, learning and anxiety zones, captioned "No tradeoff between high standards and psychological safety."

    Edmondson & Kerrissey (2025), as in item 5: safety and standards are independent dimensions, and high safety with low standards does not produce excellence.

    Harvard Medical School, "Psychological Safety and Accountability" (2020), https://learn.hms.harvard.edu/insights/all-insights/psychological-safety-and-accountability-secret-sauce-health-professions-education , describing the learning zone as high accountability with high psychological safety.

  12. Her toolkit for leaders has three parts: set the stage, invite participation, and respond productively, which includes expressing appreciation to the person who brings bad news.

    Edmondson (2018), as in item 13, chapter 7. Summary at the Psychological Safety Field Guide, https://explore.psychsafety.com/n/edmondson-2018.md : setting the stage by framing the work and its stakes; inviting participation through structured invitations for input "not just an open door"; responding productively by expressing appreciation, destigmatizing failure and sanctioning clear violations.

    Edmondson (2019) slides, as in item 13, giving the three steps as set the stage, invite engagement ("Acknowledging limits and asking good questions") and respond appreciatively.

  13. The term has drifted toward meaning comfort or the absence of disagreement, and Edmondson's recent work spends time correcting that.

    Edmondson & Kerrissey (2025), as in item 5, which addresses six misconceptions, starting with the idea that psychological safety means niceness.

  14. Psychological safety is measured mostly by surveys of the same people, and the meta-analysis treats common method bias as a major concern.

    Frazier et al. (2017), as in item 6, which states that "common method bias is a major concern with past empirical research," reports that only 13 percent of the correlations came from different sources and 35 percent had temporal separation, and finds effect sizes about 27 percent higher when the same source and time were used.

  15. Most psychological safety research has been done in English-speaking Western countries, and national culture changes the strength of some of its relationships.

    Frazier et al. (2017), as in item 6: "the majority of research on psychological safety has been conducted in English-speaking, Western countries." Its moderator test on uncertainty avoidance found several relationships, including with task performance, stronger in high uncertainty avoidance countries.

  16. The book's own condition for intelligent failure includes being informed by what is already known and being as small as possible.

    Edmondson (2023), as in item 2; Roland Berger interview and Langslow review, as in items 8 and 9.

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